I was planning on writing on a very different topic today but I couldn’t help but to vent a little after the battle I just participated in with an ‘SEO’ company on the phone. This is basically how it all went down:
I received a call from a lady named ‘Sherry’ explaining to me how, to paraphrase her words, my website stunk in terms of its SEO and that she was calling to offer this incredible system that would save me a bunch of money by getting us ranked on the first page of Google for just about every phrase in the entire universe (OK, partial exaggeration there). After patiently listening to this kind lady roll through her pitch, I started to break down my company’s website, how we get more traffic than any other company in our industry, what I understood regarding SEO, and how I was very happy with the current CMS (content management system) and analytics system I was using.
After explaining to this lady a little about myself, the fun really begun, because she quickly flipped me to another guy we’ll call ‘Larry’. Larry proceeded to again pitch his company, their owner, and just how amazingly successful my business could be if we only shelled out the 10k to start on his system, which “has the cleanest SEO code in the world.” Again, I went on to explain to Larry how I had attempted to become my own SEO over these last 12 months. I also explained to him how we have a dominant long tail keyword strategy with our dogged approach to blogging and creating new content on our webpage. After hearing these words, Larry then made my blood pressure start to rise. This was the dialogue:
Larry: That’s great that you produce all this content Marcus but how much time does all this work take you?
Me: I guess I spend about 1-2 hours a day writing, studying, designing, etc.
Larry: Ok, so that means you spend about 10 hours a week, or 500 hours a year working on your SEO. With our system, you would spend almost no time working on SEO any longer. Wouldn’t you agree that your skills as a business owner would be better served doing other things?
Me: (starting to really think this guy is an idiot) I spend my time mainly creating great content via blogs and vlogs(video blogs) for the consumer. This is not something your company could do for me, and therefore your ‘system’ would save me little, if any, time.
Larry: Actually, we have people that write as well. In fact, we have guys that worked for the Chicago Tribune and they are pros at what they do and it only costs $200 per article.
Me: Larry, I think it’s nice that you offer such a service but no ghost writer can produce the personality, feel, and quality of an actual business owner or dedicated employee. It’s just not the same. In fact, once you add up the initial set up fee you mentioned of 10k, and then spend $400 a week for content, the service has cost an arm and a leg.
Larry: Don’t take this the wrong way, but there is no way you can write like our writers. They are just too good at what they do. And because we offer our services to only select businesses, if one of your competitors signs up, you won’t be able to keep up with our system and our guys. There’s just no way. This is an amazing offer.
Me: (Blood now boiling but holding it together nicely) Uhhm, Larry, I’m sure you’ve got a great CMS and I’m sure your code is awesome, but this ain’t for me brother.
The reason why this phone call got me so fired up is because Larry and his stinking SEO company represent everything wrong with all of these ‘Web Tools and Technology’ companies that do their very best to over-promise as well as create dependency from their clients.
I compare these guys to chiropractors. Now before any of you have a cow so as to defend your chiropractor, please understand that I believe there are many great chiropractors out there, but in general almost all share a common trait, and that is they create a system of dependency with their clients. In other words, many chiropractors, because they want their clients to keep coming back and spending money, stress the need to return every 30 days or whatever to get another ‘adjustement’. This is all well and good, but are they focused on curing the problem or just temporarily alleviating it? My point is, if they are not trying to cure the problem then they are doing the customer a disservice.
I only use Chiropractors as an analogy here, but the principle rings true for any truly GREAT service. Take the CMS I use as an example, Hubspot. I’ve spoken quite a bit about this company in many of my articles because I think their method of doing business is awesome. Hubspot’s entire system is centered upon providing enough tools and education for their customers to learn to do web analytics, design, SEO, and outbound marketing ON THEIR OWN. Now granted, they do have a monthly fee for the use of their entire system, but it’s literally nothing like many of these companies, like Larry’s , that want business owners to stay in the dark ages and continue to be locked out of their business.
For example, when I first converted to Hubspot, I wasn’t quite sure how of how to make some changes on my new site. I contacted one of their ‘inbound marketing specialists’, Mark Grecko, and explained to him my dilemma, and asked him if someone at HS could make the change for me. He simply replied in this manner:
“Marcus, it’s time for tough love. Yes, I could get someone to make this change for you but I’m not going to do that. In fact, I’m going to tell you how to do it and then you’re going to do it. OK?”
At the time, I’m not sure if I appreciated just what type of impact such a statement would have on my life. What’s funny is that Hubspot does offer such additional services at a charge, but unlike Larry’s company, it’s not their goal to create a bunch of dependent, technically-mindless and broke business owners. Rather, their business model is based on empowerment through education. They want the average Joe to feel like he is in control of his web destiny. And on that particular day, Mark Greco took control of my destiny by forcing me to take the reins.
But getting back to my buddy Larry, allow me to point out a few specific truths that every business owner needs to know. (Warning, I’m feeling a little peppy upon writing this post, and therefore my wordage here may sound a little mean, but it’s all in good fun
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- If an SEO company tells you that you shouldn’t be writing your own content, they are idiots.
- If an SEO company tells you that you are not getting viewed by ‘80% of your customers because of your poor organic listings’, and you actually already get 90% of your traffic off of organic, then they are idiots.
- If an SEO company tells you they’ll only offer their service to you and not your competitors if you’ll sign up, they are liars, and therefore idiots.
- If an SEO company calls you and has to put the manager on the phone because the initial sales person, although kind, did not know half as much as you regarding SEO, then they are idiots.
- If an SEO company claims ‘they can do everything for you’ (inferring you have to do nothing), and you believe them, then you are both idiots.
Ok, so enough of my rant, I’m sure everyone gets it by this point. The reality is that business owners, all across the world, are being lead down an unfortunate road of false promises and expectations each and every day. Many SEO companies, like Hubspot, share an empowerment paradigm for their clients and should be applauded for such. Notwithstanding, there is an even larger percentage that sadly is not looking out for the best long term interests of their clients.
So to close, I’d like to share a Chinese proverb that we’ve all heard about 1000 times, but it’s the perfect summation of every thought that runs through my mind at this moment:
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
Questions? Comments? Come on, don’t be shy, watcha thinkin?

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As always Marcus, an excellent post! This is great information for folks who are new to SEO and who … all too often … believe what they are being told. Nice to know that no one is alone. In fact, this theme was also apparent at SXSW where a gent who preceded Dharmesh on stage talked about the hogwash of many SEO companies … he wrote a book too – for anyone who wants to read more check this blog post that summarizes his findings: http://blog.hubspot.com/blog/tabid/6307/bid/5723/sxsw-learning-inbound-marketing-the-hard-way-and-sharing-so-you-don-t-have-to.aspx
Hope all is well in the pool & sales lion world!
Cheers,
Awesome Kirsten, so great that you stopped by…..Yeah…Hogwash….That’s certainly a fitting word to describe some of the stuff that’s out there!
how about quack instead of chiroprator, i believe they have a degree of expertise were as a quack really has none… where the rubber meets the road…if it quacks like a duck
No doubt Phil, there are quite a few ‘Quack’ SEO companies out there!
Marcus, I love that you weren’t rattled by the tough love approach and actually embraced it! It’s such a tough thing to do in the beginning, but essential for small businesses to at least have a basic understanding of inbound marketing. Even if they decide to outsource it, they should still know what’s going on and how to hold their SEO consultant accountable.
Thanks for stopping by Erin. Yeah, I needed tough love back then, but the few growing pains were so well worth it.
Marcus,
Great article, and as you and I have discussed, you are on the road to success. It is strange to me that SEO companies really don’t “get it” with regards to the changes in web searching. But then again. . . .it’s great to stay ahead of the curb with the tools Hubspot provides!
Take Care,
Michelle
Well thank you Michelle, that means a lot coming from you
…Maybe we can do something about this whole ‘getting it’ thing
Great post Marcus.
This was probably your funniest post yet. I love talking to a skilled salesman and often end up buying what they sell
But I hate it when I talk to a poor salesman, one who falls back on trying to tell me that I am wrong and stupid without using any real arguments to back up their claims.
I think it is great that you put them in their place and showed that company that you infact no more about SEO than they do.
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Thanks for your comment Daniel, so glad you found the post entertaining. Keep up your great work on your sales blog as well!
Hi Marcus,
Nothing like a hard sell, huh?
It’s so unfortunate that there are so many freaking sales idiots out there! However, it does give true sales pros the opportunity to stand out from the rest of the pack.
Cheers!
Kelley
http://www.FearlessSellingBlog.com
Marcus,
I fielded the same type of call recently. It’s obvious that these companies thrive on the ignorance of the typical small business owner with regards to web 2.0. We have certainly seen how Hubspot believes in empowering the business owner rather than creating dependency. Great article bud!
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Yes…I know it’s an old post, but in my defense, you newest post brought me here with the link “SEO Quack”. Now that I have read this post I feel compelled to respond.
First of all I must say that I [categorically] agree with you in almost 100% of your post. I say almost because of course, as an SEO professional some of what you said stings. Mind you, that’s not your fault, as much as it is our industry. Yes there are a TON of snake oil salesmen out there pitching SEO the wrong way, promising unrealistic results and in time frames that make me quiver. However, that does not mean that some of us out there are anything other 100% legitimate, SEO professionals whose primary focus is the long term success of our clients. Yes you are correct; no one knows your business better than you! I practically beg my customers to write their own blog articles, press releases and articles and to participate in social media in their own way! No one knows their industry, product or service better than they do and certainly, not me. But time and time again I have clients tell me they “don’t have time”. Even when they hire us, I still recommend they do their own blog and social media. I only offer to perform those tasks as an absolute last resort. I see my role as more of an advocate for their work, promoting it properly and helping them get their work out their quickly, efficiently and in a manner that builds trust, authority and relationships for their business that ultimately brings them backlinks, referral traffic and better search engine rankings. Not everyone who runs a business will have the drive and ambition to learn, create and then promote content the way you did, and that’s where I come in.
My point in this response is that not every SEO agency or consultant is a snake oil salesman. In fact our firm does not cold call or direct mail market at all. We gain 100% of our business through organic search results and referrals from satisfied customers and we despise those companies that operate through email and phone calls to unsuspecting business owners.
Your article is well written and very informative…I just wish you could have mentioned that there are some SEO’s out there that are doing it right and are here to help those that need it!
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Mike, you’re very right my friend. I should have done a better job in mentioning there are some great SEOs our there. Absolutely. If I recall, my sarcastic side was on overdrive the day I wrote this.
Thanks for being kind enough to leave such a thoughtful comment.
Marcus
No worries at all Marcus! We have all had those days and blogs are a GREAT place to help deal with them and educate our readers about issues that are near and dear to us. I can hear the passion in your voice for what you do and love that about you because it truly is transparent! Keep up the AWESOME work!
And thanks for the comment back, wasn’t needed, but I do appreciate it.
Mike
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